Issues, system automatically skipping waypoints and therefore changing the whole route
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@Con-Hennekens @Corjan-Meijerink
I have now tested the new version 4.1.3 thoroughly on a several days MC tour in the Norwegian mountains and I have to say that this was the first tour where I could actually use MRA because it didnt create a complete navigation mess.
I had created my route in advance and the automatically skipping of waypoints is working much better now.
So this was an extreme improvement and all in all I would say MRA worked 95% well on this tour.
There are however still some small issues:
- A couple of times MRA insisted on re-directing me from my planned route due to some roadworks etc. I didnt follow this suggestion and continued on my route as I had planned it. MRA tried for a long time to redirect me and I got lots of crazy commands in this period.
It turned out that my planned route was not blocked and there were no road works or road blocks.
So my question is, if you have planned a route specifically as you want to drive it, shouldnt MRA in the first place try to follow this route because thats the idea when planning a route and not just asking for navigation from A to B?
Anyway thanks a lot for this update because now I can finally really use MRA!
- A couple of times MRA insisted on re-directing me from my planned route due to some roadworks etc. I didnt follow this suggestion and continued on my route as I had planned it. MRA tried for a long time to redirect me and I got lots of crazy commands in this period.
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@Con-Hennekens @Corjan-Meijerink
I have now tested the new version 4.1.3 thoroughly on a several days MC tour in the Norwegian mountains and I have to say that this was the first tour where I could actually use MRA because it didnt create a complete navigation mess.
I had created my route in advance and the automatically skipping of waypoints is working much better now.
So this was an extreme improvement and all in all I would say MRA worked 95% well on this tour.
There are however still some small issues:
- A couple of times MRA insisted on re-directing me from my planned route due to some roadworks etc. I didnt follow this suggestion and continued on my route as I had planned it. MRA tried for a long time to redirect me and I got lots of crazy commands in this period.
It turned out that my planned route was not blocked and there were no road works or road blocks.
So my question is, if you have planned a route specifically as you want to drive it, shouldnt MRA in the first place try to follow this route because thats the idea when planning a route and not just asking for navigation from A to B?
Anyway thanks a lot for this update because now I can finally really use MRA!
@Thomas-Scharrer said in Issues, system automatically skipping waypoints and therefore changing the whole route:
if you have planned a route specifically as you want to drive it, shouldnt MRA in the first place try to follow this route because thats the idea when planning a route
Yes this is a valid point
But it is a VERY thin line between skipping too quickly moving forward on your route to soon, and getting senselessly send back into the route. It will always be a trade-off. - A couple of times MRA insisted on re-directing me from my planned route due to some roadworks etc. I didnt follow this suggestion and continued on my route as I had planned it. MRA tried for a long time to redirect me and I got lots of crazy commands in this period.
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@Corjan-Meijerink said in Issues, system automatically skipping waypoints and therefore changing the whole route:
@Jörgen-Johansson You never need to skip one by one
Simply long press the waypoint on either the map or in the waypoint list to resume from there.If autoskip shows weird behavior, just turn it off.
4.1.3 will include significant improvements. Release will be early next week.Well, I have now tested the new update and I can notice an improvement in how the system treats the via-/waypoints in a better way. Good Job!
I'm now planning a 700 km route for coming Tuesday, will reply back again after that.I have also learned now that when being in a very busy area it is better to have the settings to not skip waypoints automatically.
@Jörgen-Johansson After close to 1000 km with the 4.1.3 version I would say the problem is solved!
It's not perfect (our world isn't)but it works maybe 8 out of 10 with the setting "automatically skip waypoints - ON". In my opinion the OFF setting is the best when the planned route is really important since the passed via-/waypoints are all automatically skipped anyway. So, you're fully in control if you leave the route and later want to pick up where you left.So, problem solved, thanks!
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@Jörgen-Johansson After close to 1000 km with the 4.1.3 version I would say the problem is solved!
It's not perfect (our world isn't)but it works maybe 8 out of 10 with the setting "automatically skip waypoints - ON". In my opinion the OFF setting is the best when the planned route is really important since the passed via-/waypoints are all automatically skipped anyway. So, you're fully in control if you leave the route and later want to pick up where you left.So, problem solved, thanks!
@Jörgen-Johansson, That's of course true, but I would like to stress that you are as much fully in control with the auto-skipp setting enabled as well. The function does not limit control by manual intervention in any way.
I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!
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@Jörgen-Johansson, That's of course true, but I would like to stress that you are as much fully in control with the auto-skipp setting enabled as well. The function does not limit control by manual intervention in any way.
@Con-Hennekens Hi! I have (still after the update) experienced issues in two occasions when the app skips several shaping/via/waypoints when leaving the route for an unplanned newly discovered coffee shop. Hence my comment on the manual setting.
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@Con-Hennekens Hi! I have (still after the update) experienced issues in two occasions when the app skips several shaping/via/waypoints when leaving the route for an unplanned newly discovered coffee shop. Hence my comment on the manual setting.
@Jörgen-Johansson said in Issues, system automatically skipping waypoints and therefore changing the whole route:
experienced issues in two occasions when the app skips several shaping/via/waypoints when leaving the route
Are you sure about the via points? They are never skipped automatically!
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@Con-Hennekens Hi! I have (still after the update) experienced issues in two occasions when the app skips several shaping/via/waypoints when leaving the route for an unplanned newly discovered coffee shop. Hence my comment on the manual setting.
@Jörgen-Johansson, I understand that, and I am not saying auto-skip is always perfect. But everything you can do to manually skip when the auto-skip is disabled, you can also do with the auto-skip enabled
The most important thing to do if you deviated for an unplanned newly discovered coffee shop (
) is to set the navigation to the next most logical waypoint into the route. That goes for both auto-skip enabled or disabled.I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!
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@Jörgen-Johansson, I understand that, and I am not saying auto-skip is always perfect. But everything you can do to manually skip when the auto-skip is disabled, you can also do with the auto-skip enabled
The most important thing to do if you deviated for an unplanned newly discovered coffee shop (
) is to set the navigation to the next most logical waypoint into the route. That goes for both auto-skip enabled or disabled.@Con-Hennekens I agree, autoskip seems quite good now. I was out for a full day's ride yesterday. I decided to change my route part way through. I skipped a few waypoints to stop the app trying to send me back. The app decided I needed to skip one more which it did automatically. It was right. MyRoute-app worked perfectly all day.
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@Jörgen-Johansson After close to 1000 km with the 4.1.3 version I would say the problem is solved!
It's not perfect (our world isn't)but it works maybe 8 out of 10 with the setting "automatically skip waypoints - ON". In my opinion the OFF setting is the best when the planned route is really important since the passed via-/waypoints are all automatically skipped anyway. So, you're fully in control if you leave the route and later want to pick up where you left.So, problem solved, thanks!
@Con-Hennekens @Jörgen-Johansson said in Issues, system automatically skipping waypoints and therefore changing the whole route:
@Jörgen-Johansson After close to 1000 km with the 4.1.3 version I would say the problem is solved!
It's not perfect (our world isn't)but it works maybe 8 out of 10 with the setting "automatically skip waypoints - ON". In my opinion the OFF setting is the best when the planned route is really important since the passed via-/waypoints are all automatically skipped anyway. So, you're fully in control if you leave the route and later want to pick up where you left.So, problem solved, thanks!
You are saying that with "automatically skip waypoints - OFF", passed via-/waypoints are all automatically skipped anyway.
The I just want to ask what the technical difference is between having the waypoint function ON or OFF? How will it change the behavior of the app? -
@Con-Hennekens @Jörgen-Johansson said in Issues, system automatically skipping waypoints and therefore changing the whole route:
@Jörgen-Johansson After close to 1000 km with the 4.1.3 version I would say the problem is solved!
It's not perfect (our world isn't)but it works maybe 8 out of 10 with the setting "automatically skip waypoints - ON". In my opinion the OFF setting is the best when the planned route is really important since the passed via-/waypoints are all automatically skipped anyway. So, you're fully in control if you leave the route and later want to pick up where you left.So, problem solved, thanks!
You are saying that with "automatically skip waypoints - OFF", passed via-/waypoints are all automatically skipped anyway.
The I just want to ask what the technical difference is between having the waypoint function ON or OFF? How will it change the behavior of the app?@Thomas-Scharrer First, I am just a user, not the programmer so my reply comes just from my own experience.
When "off"Next skips shaping-/via-/waypoints (whatever you want to call them) if you physically pass them on your route.
However not if you e.g. take a parallell road to the planned route or take a side trip to a coffeeshop, gasstation or such. If set to "on" I have experienced even after the GOOD update that Next may skip some waypoints and by that not taking you to the point where you previous left the route.
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@Con-Hennekens @Jörgen-Johansson said in Issues, system automatically skipping waypoints and therefore changing the whole route:
@Jörgen-Johansson After close to 1000 km with the 4.1.3 version I would say the problem is solved!
It's not perfect (our world isn't)but it works maybe 8 out of 10 with the setting "automatically skip waypoints - ON". In my opinion the OFF setting is the best when the planned route is really important since the passed via-/waypoints are all automatically skipped anyway. So, you're fully in control if you leave the route and later want to pick up where you left.So, problem solved, thanks!
You are saying that with "automatically skip waypoints - OFF", passed via-/waypoints are all automatically skipped anyway.
The I just want to ask what the technical difference is between having the waypoint function ON or OFF? How will it change the behavior of the app?@Thomas-Scharrer, yes of course. If you "hit" a waypoint you will always proceed to the next one. What auto-skipping does is skip a waypoint if you cannot "hit" it due to roadblocks, deviations or whatever reason.
I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!
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@Thomas-Scharrer, yes of course. If you "hit" a waypoint you will always proceed to the next one. What auto-skipping does is skip a waypoint if you cannot "hit" it due to roadblocks, deviations or whatever reason.
@Con-Hennekens @Jörgen-Johansson
Thanks for the information, I know you are a user and your input was very valuable on this thread.
so if auto skipping of OFF and you can for some reason not hit a waypoint, MRA will always try to navigate you back to the missed waypoint? -
@Con-Hennekens @Jörgen-Johansson
Thanks for the information, I know you are a user and your input was very valuable on this thread.
so if auto skipping of OFF and you can for some reason not hit a waypoint, MRA will always try to navigate you back to the missed waypoint?@Con-Hennekens @Jörgen-Johansson
Another question because you are often talking about "shaping-/via-/waypoints". What is actually the difference between different types of waypoints?
When I plan a route in MRA route planner I thought its always the same type of "normal" waypoint, I dont even know how to create other types of waypoints. -
@Con-Hennekens @Jörgen-Johansson
Another question because you are often talking about "shaping-/via-/waypoints". What is actually the difference between different types of waypoints?
When I plan a route in MRA route planner I thought its always the same type of "normal" waypoint, I dont even know how to create other types of waypoints.@Thomas-Scharrer All route points are waypoints. The hand symbols are called 'via points,' and the droplets are called 'shaping points.'
Start and finish are always 'via points.' 'Shaping points' are only there to shape your route. Place such a point on every road you want to drive on, or at least as many points as necessary to ensure your route follows the roads you have selected. Waypoints that you absolutely want to pass by or stop at are often marked as 'via points.' The navigation will always guide you to those points. These points are never skipped automatically.
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@Thomas-Scharrer All route points are waypoints. The hand symbols are called 'via points,' and the droplets are called 'shaping points.'
Start and finish are always 'via points.' 'Shaping points' are only there to shape your route. Place such a point on every road you want to drive on, or at least as many points as necessary to ensure your route follows the roads you have selected. Waypoints that you absolutely want to pass by or stop at are often marked as 'via points.' The navigation will always guide you to those points. These points are never skipped automatically.
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Thanks for the explanation, then this is now clear to me
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@Con-Hennekens @Jörgen-Johansson
Thanks for the information, I know you are a user and your input was very valuable on this thread.
so if auto skipping of OFF and you can for some reason not hit a waypoint, MRA will always try to navigate you back to the missed waypoint?@Thomas-Scharrer said in Issues, system automatically skipping waypoints and therefore changing the whole route:
I know you are a user and your input was very valuable on this thread.
Thanks!
so if auto skipping of OFF and you can for some reason not hit a waypoint, MRA will always try to navigate you back to the missed waypoint?
Yes, that is the general idea. Of course you can skip a waypoint also manually in such a case, by tapping the waypoint tile in the top richt of your navigation screen.
