Skip to content
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Popular
  • Support
  • MyRoute-app
Collapse
Brand Logo

MRA Community Forum

  1. Home
  2. [Beta] The MyRoute-app
  3. [Beta] Problems, Bugs and other Issues
  4. Duelling Banjos with MyRouteApp

Duelling Banjos with MyRouteApp

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved [Beta] Problems, Bugs and other Issues
30 Posts 6 Posters 231 Views 2 Watching
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • undefined richtea999
    13 Jul 2023, 14:17

    @Con-Hennekens You're right, Con - apologies. I have had similar oddities that seem to have been solved by using 'via' points. Maybe that was just luck.

    Maybe the route planner needs an extra option:

    • calculate shortest route
    undefined Offline
    undefined Offline
    Con Hennekens
    Alpha tester
    wrote on 13 Jul 2023, 14:30 last edited by
    #21

    @richtea999, if WP2 was a via point, then that one would not have been auto-skipped. But the same thing could happen for all other shaping points. A "shortest route" option would most likely have prevented TS his problem, but would also have introduced the same problem here:

    00572001-4be2-4050-8e62-6b15c4155057-image.png

    It would have chosen the northern route instead of the southern one). The essence (still) being: not enough shaping points... There is no substitute for shaping points! Only driving a track maybe, but for that you'll have to give up waypoints altogether.

    I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

    Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

    Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

    1 Reply Last reply
    0
    • undefined Con Hennekens
      13 Jul 2023, 12:10

      @Jem-Cotton said in Duelling Banjos with MyRouteApp:

      I understand about the placement of waypoints, but that doesn't address the main point

      I think it does... Obviously your pal Mike skipped WP2 somehow. Be it by an unintended manual skip, or by a premature skipping by the app itself. Long-pressing WP2 would have put you in the same direction again. My pictures above illustrate that skipping only WP2 has the effect you experienced.

      undefined Offline
      undefined Offline
      Jem Cotton
      wrote on 13 Jul 2023, 15:17 last edited by
      #22

      @Con-Hennekens

      Hiya. I could understand Mike maybe missing one waypoint (Wp2) by accident (though highly unlikely in my opinion), but not the others. Mike's route would have to skip past wp 3 - 4 - 5 .... in order for his route to be valid, and wind up taking us to wp6.

      ... and no, he didn't long press a further waypoint. We're both experienced users of MRA and know how to both read and manipulate the nav on the move.

      It's easier to blame a user i guess than look into a potential error in the software ...

      ChJem

      undefined undefined undefined 3 Replies Last reply 13 Jul 2023, 16:07
      0
      • undefined Jem Cotton
        13 Jul 2023, 15:17

        @Con-Hennekens

        Hiya. I could understand Mike maybe missing one waypoint (Wp2) by accident (though highly unlikely in my opinion), but not the others. Mike's route would have to skip past wp 3 - 4 - 5 .... in order for his route to be valid, and wind up taking us to wp6.

        ... and no, he didn't long press a further waypoint. We're both experienced users of MRA and know how to both read and manipulate the nav on the move.

        It's easier to blame a user i guess than look into a potential error in the software ...

        ChJem

        undefined Offline
        undefined Offline
        Jack van Tilburg
        wrote on 13 Jul 2023, 16:07 last edited by Jack van Tilburg
        #23

        @Jem-Cotton

        It's easier to blame a user i guess than look into a potential error in the software

        To be able to explain a deviation/cause, you will have to rule out all possibilities.
        Given that you you self indicate that all technical settings are basically the same, it makes sense to investigate whether an unintentionally human act can be the cause.
        It's not an accusation. In fact, we are all curious about the cause, you can tell by the number of messages and possibilities in this topic. All based on help and interest.

        1 Reply Last reply
        1
        • undefined Jem Cotton
          13 Jul 2023, 15:17

          @Con-Hennekens

          Hiya. I could understand Mike maybe missing one waypoint (Wp2) by accident (though highly unlikely in my opinion), but not the others. Mike's route would have to skip past wp 3 - 4 - 5 .... in order for his route to be valid, and wind up taking us to wp6.

          ... and no, he didn't long press a further waypoint. We're both experienced users of MRA and know how to both read and manipulate the nav on the move.

          It's easier to blame a user i guess than look into a potential error in the software ...

          ChJem

          undefined Offline
          undefined Offline
          Con Hennekens
          Alpha tester
          wrote on 13 Jul 2023, 18:31 last edited by
          #24

          @Jem-Cotton, I am not blaming anyone. I am trying to find a plausible explanation to an event no one else has been reporting to this extend. I guess it is easier to blame the software, than to look for potential human error... (easy saying, isn't it?)

          Now that is out of of the way 😉 : What I am trying to show (and seems to be difficult to grasp by many, proven by the replies I got) is that it is quite plausible that ONLY wp2 was skipped. The route goes up North but still towards WP3 quickest way. To reach WP3 you follow the route in reverse order along 5, 4, 3 so it looks like you are directed to 6.

          I took quite some effort in looking into your route and making the screenshots. Please tell me if you don't want me to help you, I'll stop, since I have better things to do than to help someone who does not appreciate it.

          I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

          Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

          Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

          1 Reply Last reply
          0
          • undefined Jem Cotton
            13 Jul 2023, 15:17

            @Con-Hennekens

            Hiya. I could understand Mike maybe missing one waypoint (Wp2) by accident (though highly unlikely in my opinion), but not the others. Mike's route would have to skip past wp 3 - 4 - 5 .... in order for his route to be valid, and wind up taking us to wp6.

            ... and no, he didn't long press a further waypoint. We're both experienced users of MRA and know how to both read and manipulate the nav on the move.

            It's easier to blame a user i guess than look into a potential error in the software ...

            ChJem

            undefined Offline
            undefined Offline
            Rob Verhoeff
            Alpha tester
            wrote on 13 Jul 2023, 20:25 last edited by
            #25

            @Jem-Cotton said in Duelling Banjos with MyRouteApp:

            It's easier to blame a user i guess than look into a potential error in the software ...

            Of course, there could be an error in the software. I believe that all software contains errors to some extent. However, no one here has said that it's your fault! Considering the many responses to guide you in the right direction, I don't think anyone holds it against you. Instead, I would suggest taking the recommendations given to heart when compiling your next route.

            BMW K1600GT-P (2013) with BMW Navigator | Nolan N100-5 with Sena 30K
            iOS on iPhone 13 (mounted on Quadlock)
            Apple CarPlay in VW T-Roc (wired)
            Routelab on MacBook Air & iMac (Sequoia & Monterey)

            undefined 1 Reply Last reply 14 Jul 2023, 05:36
            1
            • undefined Rob Verhoeff
              13 Jul 2023, 20:25

              @Jem-Cotton said in Duelling Banjos with MyRouteApp:

              It's easier to blame a user i guess than look into a potential error in the software ...

              Of course, there could be an error in the software. I believe that all software contains errors to some extent. However, no one here has said that it's your fault! Considering the many responses to guide you in the right direction, I don't think anyone holds it against you. Instead, I would suggest taking the recommendations given to heart when compiling your next route.

              undefined Offline
              undefined Offline
              Jem Cotton
              wrote on 14 Jul 2023, 05:36 last edited by
              #26

              @Rob-Verhoeff

              Thanks everyone for your interest and replies.

              I'm not offended or anything, but wanted to point out that as fairly experienced users, it was highly unlikely that a waypoint was skipped by accident.

              Mike and I use that functionality frequently, and with gloves on, it takes some purpose to achieve, especially as you have to confirm the choice.

              For that reason, I ruled it out as a realistic explanation.

              That leaves an unexplained difference between the two instances of the app, which for me is a little worrying.

              I'll make sure to feature viapoints a little more liberally to try to prevent it in future.

              Happy travels all.

              undefined 1 Reply Last reply 14 Jul 2023, 07:47
              0
              • undefined Jem Cotton
                14 Jul 2023, 05:36

                @Rob-Verhoeff

                Thanks everyone for your interest and replies.

                I'm not offended or anything, but wanted to point out that as fairly experienced users, it was highly unlikely that a waypoint was skipped by accident.

                Mike and I use that functionality frequently, and with gloves on, it takes some purpose to achieve, especially as you have to confirm the choice.

                For that reason, I ruled it out as a realistic explanation.

                That leaves an unexplained difference between the two instances of the app, which for me is a little worrying.

                I'll make sure to feature viapoints a little more liberally to try to prevent it in future.

                Happy travels all.

                undefined Offline
                undefined Offline
                Con Hennekens
                Alpha tester
                wrote on 14 Jul 2023, 07:47 last edited by
                #27

                @Jem-Cotton, I advise against that. It means that such a via point will NOT be skipped automatically if you miss it for whatever reason. That cure is probably worse than the disease. Besides, I already showed above that there is no substitute for enough waypoints.

                I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

                1 Reply Last reply
                0
                • undefined Offline
                  undefined Offline
                  richtea999
                  Valued contributor
                  wrote on 14 Jul 2023, 11:08 last edited by richtea999
                  #28

                  @Con-Hennekens said in Duelling Banjos with MyRouteApp:

                  I advise against that. It means that such a via point will NOT be skipped automatically if you miss it for whatever reason. That cure is probably worse than the disease.

                  It's an interesting problem. The OP builds a route to ride, but the router says no. It doesn't offer an explanation as to why the planned route is being deviated from. Google does in terms of 'Shorter route available' type suggestions.

                  Maybe an explanation popup just before the deviation point would solve a lot of the routing problems reported. I've also had similar issues with closed roads causing the routing engine to appear to misbehave because there was no (obvious) explanation given. The router was doing it's best, but as a user it's not always obvious why the route changes.

                  undefined 1 Reply Last reply 14 Jul 2023, 12:40
                  0
                  • undefined richtea999
                    14 Jul 2023, 11:08

                    @Con-Hennekens said in Duelling Banjos with MyRouteApp:

                    I advise against that. It means that such a via point will NOT be skipped automatically if you miss it for whatever reason. That cure is probably worse than the disease.

                    It's an interesting problem. The OP builds a route to ride, but the router says no. It doesn't offer an explanation as to why the planned route is being deviated from. Google does in terms of 'Shorter route available' type suggestions.

                    Maybe an explanation popup just before the deviation point would solve a lot of the routing problems reported. I've also had similar issues with closed roads causing the routing engine to appear to misbehave because there was no (obvious) explanation given. The router was doing it's best, but as a user it's not always obvious why the route changes.

                    undefined Offline
                    undefined Offline
                    Con Hennekens
                    Alpha tester
                    wrote on 14 Jul 2023, 12:40 last edited by
                    #29

                    @richtea999, I think it is rather clear what happened. WP2 has been skipped. That leads exactly to what was described: the route appears to continue to WP6, but in reality it is still going the quickest way to WP3.

                    I would not be surprised if it was skipped by personal accident, but I am okay to assume it wasn't that, as Jem and his friend explained to be experienced. The question we should be asking next is: why does it seem to happen every now and then, that waypoints are being auto-skipped prematurely sometimes many kilometers in advance. You know, ultimately @Jem-Cotton is not the first where this happened.

                    I am just an enthusiastic MRA user, and hope you will be one too!

                    Most motorcycle problems are caused by the nut that connects the handlebar to the saddle.

                    Streetpilot 2610 / Zumo 660 / Zumo 395 / CAT S52 + MRA app

                    undefined 1 Reply Last reply 14 Jul 2023, 17:52
                    0
                    • undefined Con Hennekens
                      14 Jul 2023, 12:40

                      @richtea999, I think it is rather clear what happened. WP2 has been skipped. That leads exactly to what was described: the route appears to continue to WP6, but in reality it is still going the quickest way to WP3.

                      I would not be surprised if it was skipped by personal accident, but I am okay to assume it wasn't that, as Jem and his friend explained to be experienced. The question we should be asking next is: why does it seem to happen every now and then, that waypoints are being auto-skipped prematurely sometimes many kilometers in advance. You know, ultimately @Jem-Cotton is not the first where this happened.

                      undefined Offline
                      undefined Offline
                      richtea999
                      Valued contributor
                      wrote on 14 Jul 2023, 17:52 last edited by
                      #30

                      @richtea999 said:

                      It doesn't offer an explanation as to why the planned route is being deviated from.

                      @Con-Hennekens said:

                      @richtea999, I think it is rather clear what happened. WP2 has been skipped.

                      'Why' and 'what' aren't the same thing.
                      Jem knew what happened - but not why. That was my long-winded point. 🙂

                      If the router knows the original route is closed/jammed with traffic, then ideally it should let the user know and, even better, give a choice of what to do next.

                      It may be that HERE router doesn't give that information, but if it does it would be brilliant to see it.

                      1 Reply Last reply
                      0
                      • undefined richtea999 referenced this topic on 15 Jul 2023, 21:25
                      Reply
                      • Reply as topic
                      Log in to reply
                      • Oldest to Newest
                      • Newest to Oldest
                      • Most Votes

                      30/30

                      14 Jul 2023, 17:52


                      • 1
                      • 2
                      ACTIVE USERS
                      undefined
                      Con Hennekens
                      about 2 hours ago
                      undefined
                      Stefan Hummelink
                      about 21 hours ago
                      undefined
                      Rob Verhoeff
                      3 days ago
                      undefined
                      Jack van Tilburg
                      22 May 2025, 08:28
                      undefined
                      richtea999
                      15 May 2025, 10:57
                      undefined
                      Jem Cotton
                      14 May 2025, 09:28
                      POPULAR TOPICS
                      • MyRoute-App macht was sie will - aber nicht was sie soll!
                        undefined
                        Rainer Treichel
                        about 2 hours ago
                        0
                        17
                        218

                      • Voice Navigation anncouncement too quiet
                        undefined
                        Westerwald_Rider
                        24 minutes ago
                        0
                        11
                        83

                      • benzine pompen dichtbij
                        undefined
                        Con Hennekens
                        about 6 hours ago
                        0
                        5
                        104

                      • First point is often ignored
                        undefined
                        Con Hennekens
                        about 9 hours ago
                        0
                        24
                        648

                      • is 3 x volledig vast gelopen
                        undefined
                        Nomko Nomden
                        about 12 hours ago
                        2
                        4
                        84

                      • Probleem met exporteren naar sd kaart garmin
                        undefined
                        Eric Freedom
                        22 minutes ago
                        0
                        3
                        49

                      • De keuze voor de startplek verplaatsen. Move option for starting point
                        undefined
                        M. Schrijver
                        23 minutes ago
                        1
                        5
                        114

                      • Route als track hoe werkt dit nu?
                        undefined
                        M. Schrijver
                        about an hour ago
                        1
                        27
                        1.3k
                      MY GROUPS
                      • Login

                      • Login or register to search.
                      2 / 2
                      • First post
                        30/30
                        Last post
                      0
                      • Categories
                      • Recent
                      • Popular
                      • Support
                      • MyRoute-app